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Tech => Fabrication & Tools => Topic started by: timatoe on December 16, 2013, 02:56:09 PM

Title: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 16, 2013, 02:56:09 PM
If you were going to buy a bender........

Which one would you get and why?

Also, if you could only afford one die to start with which one and why?
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: norcal_chris on December 16, 2013, 03:02:10 PM
Jd2.  Not a bad price, quality unit, ability to use air/hydro addon if wanted later.

If I didn't have a cage.  1.75. First project would be cage as its most important.
If I had a cage 1.5. Bumpers, crossmembers, misc fabrication lends well to 1.5tube

My .02
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: Tru_Fab_Built on December 16, 2013, 04:13:19 PM
I have the JD2.  Awesome bender.  Easy to use for what projects you have.  You can take Chris's .02 and times it by 2 for .02.  Misc. I'd have 1.5" 4.5 CLR. And 1.75" 5.5 CLR
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 16, 2013, 05:45:34 PM
Thanks guys.  I'll have to re-count my pennies and see, maybe I can get both.  I absolutely agree on the cage point.  I was gonna put this money toward a cage but I think this makes more sense.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: connor0770 on December 16, 2013, 09:35:39 PM
what if i said i could get you a ProBender Pro3 Bender & 1-3/4" O.D. 6" CLR 240(degree) Die with stand and 8 Ton Air/Hydro Ram for $700 OBO?
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 16, 2013, 10:19:41 PM
I'd say that's pretty good.  I think their deal on Pirate was just under $600 without the ram or stand.  Although I've got plenty of 2x2 to build the stand on the garage floor and their ram is a harbor freight ram they want $120 for and I can get for about $80.  Who's got it?

I was looking at the JD2 with the Pirate discount it's roughly $270 for the bender and $270 for the die.  Of course there's still a stand etc to deal with.

What if I make you this deal?????? I'll buy that, you buy a 1.5" die, you keep it at my house and you can use the bender anytime you want?   :rofl:

They use Pro-Tools dies?
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 18, 2013, 01:38:56 AM
Hello, hello, hello.......  You post that and keep me hanging?
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: Day215 on December 18, 2013, 07:07:47 PM
He out shopping with the girlfriend, somebody has to hold all those bags! :biggrin:

Hope it turns out better than this guy:

http://gawker.com/man-commits-suicide-in-mall-after-girlfriend-refuses-to-1479660064 (http://gawker.com/man-commits-suicide-in-mall-after-girlfriend-refuses-to-1479660064)
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 19, 2013, 10:37:04 AM
Yeah that dude REALLY hated shopping.

So I looked at the JD2 and with the Pirate discount I can afford two dies and the bender, the ram kit from Swag and a air/hydro ram from HF.  But holy shit, it's $191 for shipping for the bender and dies.  Gonna see if I can find something more local before pulling the pin.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: connor0770 on December 19, 2013, 12:29:19 PM
Its not mine for sale its my buddies in Reno. Let me ask him and see what he says. That was his friend price, so ill see if I can pass it on.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 19, 2013, 03:15:22 PM
His "friend" price is barely below retail.  Saving a little and cost of shipping really, see what he says though.

Found a JD2 with 3 dies, stand, factory hydro etc... $1,500 which is still a good deal, but more than I wanna drop right now.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 19, 2013, 09:31:51 PM
Looking at the ProBender site it looks like they've gone up considerably on their prices, so if your buddy still has that one for that price it's likely a good deal.  I do like how that one functions though without taking up a lot of space etc.... 

Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: norcal_chris on December 19, 2013, 10:30:52 PM
I really dislike the vertical setup benders..   I nust like everything on a horizontal plane.  Plus I don't want the thing I'm bending sticking 10ft up in the air if it needs compound bends

Personal preference
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 20, 2013, 08:20:39 AM
I hear ya there, if I had a large shop to work in I'd certainly agree.  My concern is the limited space I've got and being able to move it about if needed.  I've got a detached two car garage that's all mine to work in, but I've also got two project vehicles, so even having two two car garages isn't enough space.  Maybe I just need to build a 40x60 shop. :high5:
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: Tru_Fab_Built on December 20, 2013, 08:44:08 AM
40x60 shop 😎I'd give you my bender to use of you let play in the shop!!
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: Tru_Fab_Built on December 20, 2013, 08:44:55 AM
Il do the grading for you when do decided if that helps get the shop up and going lol. 
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 20, 2013, 10:38:17 AM
Sweet.  It's likely a year out though.  I think where I want it I'll have to build up one side, but we'll see how that goes.  There's a seasonal creek that runs right next to where I want it to go, wanna make sure it doesn't come in the building.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: connor0770 on December 21, 2013, 02:41:55 PM
It was sold.. Sorry Tim
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on December 21, 2013, 05:10:44 PM
That's alright, I've got a friend who works at Fastenal and said they can likely order a bender, save a little and not have to pay shipping.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 16, 2015, 11:37:13 AM
So I'm going to "necro" this thread from the dead to ask some follow-up questions. Tim and I are planning on going in on some fab tools. I'm going to get the bender, and he is going to get the notcher. He already has a welder. I figure we can use these tools to help build tire carriers, tube fenders, and possibly a cage for Tim.

From those saying to go with the JD2 bender: The 3 or the 32? They accept different dies. The 32 seems to be more robust and have anti-springback function. It's $100 more. I have a large patio in the back where I plan to have a mount for the bender, so the horizontal bending isn't an issue.

What bender does everyone have? Is anyone willing to share dies as a group? I figure they're used so infrequently, that it doesn't make sense to double-up on dies if they are interchangeable.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: Tru_Fab_Built on May 16, 2015, 11:58:23 AM

So I'm going to "necro" this thread from the dead to ask some follow-up questions. Tim and I are planning on going in on some fab tools. I'm going to get the bender, and he is going to get the notcher. He already has a welder. I figure we can use these tools to help build tire carriers, tube fenders, and possibly a cage for Tim.

From those saying to go with the JD2 bender: The 3 or the 32? They accept different dies. The 32 seems to be more robust and have anti-springback function. It's $100 more. I have a large patio in the back where I plan to have a mount for the bender, so the horizontal bending isn't an issue.

What bender does everyone have? Is anyone willing to share dies as a group? I figure they're used so infrequently, that it doesn't make sense to double-up on dies if they are interchangeable.

Pat. I'd be willing to let you use my bender and software to build your stuff.  I was also thinking of selling my bender JD2 with air over hydraulic.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 16, 2015, 12:09:50 PM

So I'm going to "necro" this thread from the dead to ask some follow-up questions. Tim and I are planning on going in on some fab tools. I'm going to get the bender, and he is going to get the notcher. He already has a welder. I figure we can use these tools to help build tire carriers, tube fenders, and possibly a cage for Tim.

From those saying to go with the JD2 bender: The 3 or the 32? They accept different dies. The 32 seems to be more robust and have anti-springback function. It's $100 more. I have a large patio in the back where I plan to have a mount for the bender, so the horizontal bending isn't an issue.

What bender does everyone have? Is anyone willing to share dies as a group? I figure they're used so infrequently, that it doesn't make sense to double-up on dies if they are interchangeable.

Pat. I'd be willing to let you use my bender and software to build your stuff.  I was also thinking of selling my bender JD2 with air over hydraulic.
PM a price and included equipment? Is it the model 3 or the model 32?
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: connor0770 on May 16, 2015, 04:30:58 PM
What Dye? Im interested!
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on May 16, 2015, 05:02:22 PM
What Dye? Im interested!

You will wait your turn Sir!   :flipoff:
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 16, 2015, 05:06:04 PM
PM Received. Let's just borrow it for now and make and take some time to think about purchase prices. Is it on a cart? I assume so because the air/hydros don't need to be bolted down.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on May 16, 2015, 05:19:07 PM
Do you have a compressor Patrick?  We'll need supply air for the hydro obviously, but I can't bring my 80 gallon tank anywhere since I built the closet / quite space around it.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 16, 2015, 05:28:10 PM
I don't have a compressor. We may need to do this fab work at your house. I don't have a welder either.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: connor0770 on May 16, 2015, 05:31:27 PM

What Dye? Im interested!

You will wait your turn Sir!   :flipoff:

I need front tube fenders to fit the 4Ds.  Plus a cage
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 16, 2015, 06:22:19 PM
In like 2 years when you finish the swap.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: norcal_chris on May 16, 2015, 07:26:43 PM
I have everything mentioned minus a garage   :shaking: :rofl:
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on May 16, 2015, 09:51:50 PM
I don't have a compressor. We may need to do this fab work at your house. I don't have a welder either.

ok
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: Tru_Fab_Built on May 17, 2015, 12:15:08 AM
I think it's time for us to go in on a shop!!

The bender needs a new stand.  But yes you don't need to bolt it down.

Connor. Text me about dies.  I thought we talked about this already
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 17, 2015, 07:43:18 AM
We can put the shop at my place.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: connor0770 on May 19, 2015, 12:48:39 PM

I think it's time for us to go in on a shop!!

The bender needs a new stand.  But yes you don't need to bolt it down.

Connor. Text me about dies.  I thought we talked about this already

I'll talk to you on the con!
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: yj4me on May 19, 2015, 01:05:32 PM
It's probably not enough supply depending how much constant PSI you need, but I have a portable Dewalt air compressor you're welcome to borrow for your project.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on May 19, 2015, 07:12:53 PM
I have a small twin tube one, but I don't think it could keep up.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 20, 2015, 04:42:55 PM
Tim, I could buy the compressor and borrow the bender to match your welder and notcher.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on May 20, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
OK, whatever you wanna do.  I've got an older version similar to this.... http://www.sears.com/craftsman-professional-60-gallon-air-compressor-3.1-rhp/p-00916476000P?prdNo=3&blockNo=3&blockType=G3 (http://www.sears.com/craftsman-professional-60-gallon-air-compressor-3.1-rhp/p-00916476000P?prdNo=3&blockNo=3&blockType=G3)

But, I'd imagine even a 25 gallon roller type would be plenty.  I only bought the big one because it was on sale when I went to get roller kind for like $75 more.  That was like 16 years ago.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 21, 2015, 05:33:59 PM
Check this thing out: http://m.homedepot.com/p/Makita-5-2-Gal-3-0-HP-Single-Tank-Air-Compressor-MAC5200/202713486/
6.5cfm at 90psi. Also it's oiled. 120v
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on May 21, 2015, 09:23:21 PM
That's a nice little compressor.  Don't know what ram Matt's bender has or it's consumption rate etc.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 21, 2015, 10:07:09 PM
This site lists typical tool air usage.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/air-consumption-tools-d_847.html

Magnet man from monstaliner writes that his cheap help air finis totally usable with 6.7 homers @ 40psi.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on May 22, 2015, 08:05:15 AM
Rams don't use a whole lot of volume so it would likely be fine.  I was big into buying up air tools when I bought the compressor.  I hardly use anything other than an air ratchet, nailer, and impact now.  Grinders, sanders, cut off tools, etc I just use electric way more convinient.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 22, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
I agree. I want to paint, nail, impact gun, maybe ratchet, and maybe plasma cut in the future.
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 26, 2015, 10:02:22 PM
Got it.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/26/359f955f155054d16a58a0e336a84ca2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: timatoe on May 27, 2015, 09:41:45 AM
Is it pretty quite?
Title: Re: Tube Bender
Post by: pdangerp on May 27, 2015, 04:56:30 PM
Yes, "quite" pretty. Haha. It's not whisper quiet but not bad if I put it in the back patio.