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Re: bump steer
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2018, 07:05:19 PM »

I don't suppose you still have the lines for the power steering pump do you?  I'm assuming you used them.  I need a pressure line and the fitting for the box for the return line.
    im sorry. i used them
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2018, 07:16:37 PM »

I never understood that tie rod/drag link design. It looks like you have room for a tie rod flip but that opens a whole other bucket of worms. It would be nice to change over to a "T" setup instead of that "Y" design in my opinion.
I can't see from your pictures where the drag link is located on the driver side frame so the actual drop isn't apparent.

im not sure about torque steer. should it have it if im in 2 wheel drive? 
I never understood that tie rod/drag link design. It looks like you have room for a tie rod flip but that opens a whole other bucket of worms. It would be nice to change over to a "T" setup instead of that "Y" design in my opinion.
I can't see from your pictures where the drag link is located on the driver side frame so the actual drop isn't apparent.

No chance this is torque steer and not bump steer? How does it behave through the twisties with steady power?
Mark or Chris may be a better source of knowledge  :thumbsup:



No chance this is torque steer and not bump steer? How does it behave through the twisties with steady power?
Mark or Chris may be a better source of knowledge  :thumbsup:



it feels like torque steer but why would i have it in 2wheel drive.  one thing that baffles me is that when parked and i turn the wheels it raises the frame up  one side and then i turn the wheels the opposite way the other side raises up. it seems more drastic after i installed the trac bar.
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2018, 06:04:54 PM »

picked up another pitman arm thats not as tall as the stock one. its still an 1-1/2 off but better. replaced the input shaft seal as well. it seems a little better and i think once i get the front end bolted on it will stiffen the frame up some. for now im done screwing with it. i need to get back on doing the body work on the fenders, hood, bumpers, doors, bed, running boards,  and grill. ive been lazy lately. so much sanding to do! im starting to give up
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2018, 10:33:01 PM »

The weather makes me lazy too. After this weekend, it should be dry and warmer. Don't give up.
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2018, 12:52:15 PM »

i have to admit watching movies from my recliner never gets old. the wife isnt as happy about it as me tho
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2018, 01:41:57 PM »

I had luck with the RuffStuff Y link with GM 1 ton ends and "The Cure."  The Cure is a flat disk that eliminates the dead spot and they recommend using it on the drag link.  By recommendation from Greg at Rock and Road Performance (next-door to RuffStuff) I placed The Cure on the passenger TRE.  That with my toe set as close as possible to correct gave me good success on my YJ with 35's.  I say as close as possible because we tested a bend in the tie rod which he uses on TJ's as it gives access to the front diff.  That isn't necessary on the YJ.  Greg from Rock and Road also TIG'd the bungs onto the tie rod and drag link for me - perfectly I might add.  It's clean and damn stout!  You can go over or under the knuckle.  The biggest pain was reaming the knuckle to fit the 1 ton TRE's.

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Re: bump steer
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2018, 08:35:28 PM »

ty for the info , any pics?




























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Re: bump steer
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2018, 11:08:23 PM »

Iíll take some tomorrow. On another note, I have a full Rocky Road high steer set up that needs a new home. It was going to be used if I went spring over which I never did.  I donít know why I didnít think of that earlier.  Check it out at Rocky-Road.com. Itís just getting dusty.  I have researched and the only bit of bad feedback is that a few have reported the steering knuckles have broken, but in those cases there may have been some uneven surface contact where the knuckle mount sits.  Two things: grind it flat and weld it on and it is reported to be bomber! 

~Mike
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2018, 07:34:03 AM »

Ben also uses "the cure".

I'd look at that over the knuckle kit Mike's got, but it's not my money.  :high5:
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2018, 02:47:05 PM »

that rocky road looks interesting. i wonder if it would work on mine being that my box is so low
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2018, 07:20:12 PM »

Ben also uses "the cure".

Yeah, but I use it on the drag link. I think the reason that they don't recommend using it on the tie rod is that its made out of plastic. Hardened plastic, but still plastic. I'm sure that the tie rod ends have more stress on them than the drag link does.

 It did significantly reduce my dead spot.
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2018, 10:26:02 AM »

Yeah, but I use it on the drag link. I think the reason that they don't recommend using it on the tie rod is that its made out of plastic. Hardened plastic, but still plastic. I'm sure that the tie rod ends have more stress on them than the drag link does.

 It did significantly reduce my dead spot.

Here are some pics of my set up.




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Re: bump steer
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2018, 10:27:43 AM »

Also, like I said, the high steer kit is gathering dust. Iím sure we can make a great deal.

~Mike


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Re: bump steer
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2018, 06:35:29 PM »

   

I thought about removing it and that will be my next step since its easy.

Those are really old tires, I got them on a jeep I had before my red one. It wouldn't smog so I sold it to a guy from Nevada, I kept the tires.

?? I thought you sold the YJ?? Oh well, where have I been? In LJ la la land! lol.

Anyway, I never ran a stabilizer... didn't seem to matter. Also tried "the cure"... didn't help much. However... many, many moons ago, I had a TLC with a not so much different front end than a YJ... except not SOA. BUT, once upon a time I had really bad worn out 33's on it and it had bump and wondering like I've never had before. New meats and it all went away. Not saying that is the sole answer/solution, but it is part of the equation.
And if the TR is stock... I look into the high steer.
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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2018, 09:44:20 PM »

?? I thought you sold the YJ?? Oh well, where have I been? In LJ la la land! lol.

Anyway, I never ran a stabilizer... didn't seem to matter. Also tried "the cure"... didn't help much. However... many, many moons ago, I had a TLC with a not so much different front end than a YJ... except not SOA. BUT, once upon a time I had really bad worn out 33's on it and it had bump and wondering like I've never had before. New meats and it all went away. Not saying that is the sole answer/solution, but it is part of the equation.
And if the TR is stock... I look into the high steer.

For those uninformed elitists among us, this is what Bob is working on. :flipoff:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WnBOcOI_4&feature=youtu.be
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2018, 10:20:56 PM »

Ah... Ford... that explains it...  :rofl:











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Re: bump steer
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2018, 10:37:44 AM »

Also, like I said, the high steer kit is gathering dust. Iím sure we can make a great deal.

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i think my box being so low the high steer wouldnt work. the drag link would be going down to the pitman arm, maybe, not sure
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2018, 10:44:11 AM »

Ah... Ford... that explains it...  :rofl:











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 i know right, maybe when its done i can trade it for a rubicon.

i didnt know what a flat spot meant or what the cure was. i looked at a video and i see its tie rod roll the cure prevents. i didnt even know they did roll.   if the high steer would fit ,it sure would get my tie rod out of the way of rocks, that thing sure is low. the deal is that i didnt really plan on hard core wheeling but you know how that can go .
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2018, 10:45:36 AM »

i appreciated all the help, ive got a lot to learn, ive been out of the loop for a while and u guy have progressed a lot over the years.
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Re: bump steer
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2018, 01:19:05 PM »

i know right, maybe when its done i can trade it for a rubicon.

i didnt know what a flat spot meant or what the cure was. i looked at a video and i see its tie rod roll the cure prevents. i didnt even know they did roll.   if the high steer would fit ,it sure would get my tie rod out of the way of rocks, that thing sure is low. the deal is that i didnt really plan on hard core wheeling but you know how that can go .

By the way, I fixed this post for you. You had posted inside Randy's quote.

"The Cure" is a Ruffstuff part. Here is the link. This one is for OEM steering. They also sell a 1 ton version.


https://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/R2008.html
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